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You definitely did great things for the Z while you were at SGP, but to say that if it weren't for SGP and their research, then we wouldn't have the 2.5" IC piping, etc, that we do today, is a bit of a stretch. Amongst others, I recall Border making the piping, probably close to 20 years ago now. Hell, TOM was even making and selling piping many years before SGP closed it's doors. Just sayin.....
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